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The Avengers and the X-Men - the two most popular super-hero teams in history - go to war! This landmark pop-culture event brings together Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, Black Widow, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Cyclops, Storm, Magneto and more in the story that changes them forever! And in AVX: Vs., experience the larger-than-life battles too big for any other comic to The Avengers and the X-Men - the two most popular super-hero teams in history - go to war! This landmark pop-culture event brings together Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, Black Widow, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Cyclops, Storm, Magneto and more in the story that changes them forever! And in AVX: Vs., experience the larger-than-life battles too big for any other comic to contain! Iron Man vs. Magneto! Spider-Man vs. Colossus! Captain America vs. Gambit! And more! Plus: For the first time ever in print, Marvel's groundbreaking Infinite Comics are collected, revealing key events through the eyes of Marvel's major players. It's Marvel's biggest event ever - but will the Avengers or the X-Men emerge triumphant? COLLECTING: AVENGERS VS. X-MEN 0-12, POINT ONE (AVX story)


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The Avengers and the X-Men - the two most popular super-hero teams in history - go to war! This landmark pop-culture event brings together Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, Black Widow, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Cyclops, Storm, Magneto and more in the story that changes them forever! And in AVX: Vs., experience the larger-than-life battles too big for any other comic to The Avengers and the X-Men - the two most popular super-hero teams in history - go to war! This landmark pop-culture event brings together Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, Black Widow, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Cyclops, Storm, Magneto and more in the story that changes them forever! And in AVX: Vs., experience the larger-than-life battles too big for any other comic to contain! Iron Man vs. Magneto! Spider-Man vs. Colossus! Captain America vs. Gambit! And more! Plus: For the first time ever in print, Marvel's groundbreaking Infinite Comics are collected, revealing key events through the eyes of Marvel's major players. It's Marvel's biggest event ever - but will the Avengers or the X-Men emerge triumphant? COLLECTING: AVENGERS VS. X-MEN 0-12, POINT ONE (AVX story)

30 review for Avengers vs. X-Men

  1. 5 out of 5

    Khurram

    Really enjoyed this book. It started out a bit slow, and I was worried about all the different characters getting enough time and chance to contribute. I had a couple of issues with the art work, mailing around Hope, just her age, in some issues, she looked in her late teens, and in other her early to preteen. However all this could be put aside for me as my favorite characters, had their moments to shine, and there were parts of the book were exceptionally good and others a bit slow, but all in Really enjoyed this book. It started out a bit slow, and I was worried about all the different characters getting enough time and chance to contribute. I had a couple of issues with the art work, mailing around Hope, just her age, in some issues, she looked in her late teens, and in other her early to preteen. However all this could be put aside for me as my favorite characters, had their moments to shine, and there were parts of the book were exceptionally good and others a bit slow, but all in all and great epic story worthy of these two teams facing off against each other. "No more mutants" With these 3 words The Scarlet Witch changed the Marvel universe and decimated the Mutant population, placing them on the endangered species list and leaving the remaining mutant leaders clutching at "Hope". now when you play with cosmic powers, the "BIG Birds" will notice. I like the ambiguity in the comics, as in I could see both points of view before choosing a side. Families, friends, teams, and even the world will be torn apart. Also when ultimate power does come could ultimate corruption be far behind? The only issue that did bother me in this comic series it every character seemed to heal from issue to issue at Wolverine's rate. This is a couple of bit deaths (well as long as the character really stays dead) in the series. Great themes of corruption, redemption, destiny and faith all rolled into one. The TPB contains issues 0 - 12 of the mini series. Show the A4 format of the regular cover at the beginning of every issue as well as thumbnails of the different covers. All in an epic series worthy of a face off between these 2 teams.

  2. 4 out of 5

    Ray

    With Avengers vs. X-Men, you get what you pay for. It's the Godzilla vs. Kong of comics, all you need to know is right in the title, with a bunch of Avengers fighting a bunch of X-Men! The plot isn't that ambitious, something about the Phoenix and how hard mutants have had it lately. It's really just a pretext for the battles which begins quickly in the first issue. Lots of different writers and artists, definitely an editorial decree kind of event, but somehow it flows pretty naturally. I was n With Avengers vs. X-Men, you get what you pay for. It's the Godzilla vs. Kong of comics, all you need to know is right in the title, with a bunch of Avengers fighting a bunch of X-Men! The plot isn't that ambitious, something about the Phoenix and how hard mutants have had it lately. It's really just a pretext for the battles which begins quickly in the first issue. Lots of different writers and artists, definitely an editorial decree kind of event, but somehow it flows pretty naturally. I was never a fan of Bendis's edgy Avengers by the way, but this comic did come out back in 2012 when the movie thing started taking off and the Avengers do feel like the flagship core of Marvel. Within the X-Men, there's the classic Wolverine and Cyclops rivalry that takes center stage. Captain America and Iron Man get plenty of focus on the other side, and it's genuinely surprising as well as fun to see how various combinations of characters from across the universe interact with each other. Comparisons might be made to the Civil War from a few years prior, but that storyline was trying to be relevant and have something real to say about the political-societal implications of superheroes. Avengers vs. X-Men just isn't that. There's the main miniseries tells the story from a big picture perspective, with all the fun strategies and emotional drama. For more of the fights, there were a lot of spinoffs to read because y'know it's a comic book crossover event. Personally, AVX where Thing punches Gambit or whatever isn't as interesting to me. The resolution was a big deal and impactful, for a while, until it faded into a new status quo as all these things do. Yet I am still re-reading it nearly a decade later and it's very enjoyable for what it is. And lastly, no I don't think it would be a good idea for a movie. This only works in one medium, IMHO...

  3. 4 out of 5

    Gavin

    Underwhelming. I am glad I didn't hold off reading all the stuff that comes after this (pretty much all of AvsX leads into the Marvel NOW! Relaunch-y-ish-type thing. Makes a bit more sense now, but I had already pieced it together based on HOW GODDAMN OFTEN THEY TELL US THAT THE PHOENIX FORCE WENT INTO THE X-MEN IT DID! UGH. You know what? The story served it's purpose. I can see how some think it's a bit lazy to bring Scarlet Witch out of nowhere to be part of this, but I enjoyed it. Even the char Underwhelming. I am glad I didn't hold off reading all the stuff that comes after this (pretty much all of AvsX leads into the Marvel NOW! Relaunch-y-ish-type thing. Makes a bit more sense now, but I had already pieced it together based on HOW GODDAMN OFTEN THEY TELL US THAT THE PHOENIX FORCE WENT INTO THE X-MEN IT DID! UGH. You know what? The story served it's purpose. I can see how some think it's a bit lazy to bring Scarlet Witch out of nowhere to be part of this, but I enjoyed it. Even the characters are like WTF is SHE doing here? I'm willing to see this as a cyclical karmic balancing of House of M. However, I like that the answer has to do with Hope AND Scarlet Witch, not just one of them. It's the cooperation fostered that I think should be the telling moment of the series. Instead, it's how quickly can shit escalate to 11. Cap and Cyclops are pretty much the same character. "I will take the burden of leadership. I am a great leader of people, everyone counts on me" Except then they both shit the bed in terms of actually sitting down and TALKING about this. Of course the fighting is very cool. The FIRST time... The other problem is that NONE of the characters outside of about a dozen actually factor in at all. (Cap, Tony, Logan, Cyke, Emma, Namor, the Rasputins, and a few others). I was pleased to see Iron Fist get an actual speaking role! With some importance! It's a first for Danny Rand in a real event book. However, other than the 5 X-Men who get the Phoenix force, the rest of them are just shunned to the fringes of irrelevancy. Maybe they're more present in other AVX books? But, other than a little bit of Storm, and a touch of Rogue, all we get is the 5 of them going all supernova. This is a spot where I feel like they lost the chance to give Magneto a much more crucial part (even though they did in a way). There should have been a LOT more focus on Logan and his pull between the 2, especially since both Scott AND Steve treat him like a loose cannon asshole, when in fact, he's probably the most realistic about the whole issue. The thing is, this book misses a LOT of opportunities to actually go into character relationships. Other than Black Panther/Storm and a little bit of Scarlet Witch/Vision, we don't get much on the relationships here, much is just thrown out the window so the artists can do punchy mcpunchersons again. I think with the writers here (Bendis, Aaron, Brubaker, Hickman and Fraction), they have the Top of Marvel's heap, yet it seems like they were forced to do this one, and the different voices actually take away from the cohesion of the whole story. I would like to blame some of this on editorial staff, because otherwise it means some of my favourites actually wrote some horridly turgid shit here. There's just such a rich history to delve into here, and it just turns into: how many ways can Cap throw Avengers at Cyke and the Phoenix 5 until Tony Stark figures some shit out? Oh ya, and where the F was the FF? (Other than Benny) You think Reed is going to let this all happen without involving himself or his brain? The FF is the perfect go between here, because they've served as Avengers, but they're separate and they understand what changes like mutations do (ESPECIALLY BENNY!). Oh and, I'm hoping someone will explain why Hulk doesn't show up until the end? They make a huge deal of Cap asking him for help, and then he's barely used at all...was this a point at which Banner was unavailable? Because otherwise, he, Pym, McCoy and Stark should have been working on some answer. In the end, what might have been will never be known, because this milquetoast shit happened instead. Other than making Scotty into the biggest badguy since Magneto (irony of ironies, Erik was the one trying to talk him down). I am glad to see that they took the events here and used them to the best they could (Scott/Logans X-Men, Uncanny Avengers, etc.) I just really wish they'd DONE something instead of throw every character at the books and hope things would stick. We really didn't need Luke Cage, Daredevil, Red Hulk, and a lot of others if they weren't doing anything. It should really have been called "The entire roster of Avengers and reserves from the last decade+ versus the Mutant Power Couple, Namor and the Ruskie Sibs. (speaking of that, who decided that Peter would have ABSOLUTELY NO PERSONALITY WHATSOEVER???? Based on who he is/was, he should have been the first one to reject the Phoenix power. There's some few lines about not liking Ilyana's angry rage, but that's about it). OK I'm going to stop, because I realize I could go on and on raging about what went wrong here forever. That's not the best result for a major event book like this. Do yourself a favour and focus on the aftermath instead: Prof X is dead at Cyclops' hand, which opens the door to him being the badguy mutant outlaw, which actually suits him better and makes him more interesting. So in that regard, SUCCESS! Now to wait for the return. Miss this and save the headaches. Get this review and more at:

  4. 4 out of 5

    Aaron

    The Phoenix Force is coming back to Earth to inhabit the mutant Hope, born just prior to Messiah Complex (but now a teenager due to time travel). Cyclops wants Hope to have the power of the Phoenix so that she might usher in a new era of peace for Earth. Captain America and the Avengers, fearing a reign of destruction as in The Dark Phoenix Saga, arrive in order to take Hope into protective custody. A battle between the two teams ensues, and then things get worse once Iron Man attacks the Phoeni The Phoenix Force is coming back to Earth to inhabit the mutant Hope, born just prior to Messiah Complex (but now a teenager due to time travel). Cyclops wants Hope to have the power of the Phoenix so that she might usher in a new era of peace for Earth. Captain America and the Avengers, fearing a reign of destruction as in The Dark Phoenix Saga, arrive in order to take Hope into protective custody. A battle between the two teams ensues, and then things get worse once Iron Man attacks the Phoenix Force directly. Five X-Men take on the power of the Phoenix and quickly begin to overwhelm the Avengers. I was dreading this one based on other reviews, but I really liked the central limited series. (I didn't read the VS issues and they don't seem necessary to understand the main story.) I appreciated that the two hero teams had a somewhat valid reason to fight, as opposed to something like Secret Wars, though the sheer certainty of Cyclops that the Phoenix Force could be used safely seemed incredibly reckless. The storyline served to wrap up (or at least transition) stories that have been told since House of M, which it did well. Each issue actually had some development that was relevant to the plot, making all 12 issues feel like they mostly justified their existence. Yes, there are big team smackdowns, but there are several notable character moments as well (view spoiler)[coming from Hope, Scarlet Witch, Iron Man, Spider-Man, Iron Fist, and even the Hulk (hide spoiler)] . The result was entertaining and made more sense than I was expecting, so maybe the bar was just set sufficiently low before I picked this up.

  5. 5 out of 5

    Subham

    WHAT AN EPIC EVENT! It starts with the Phoenix force coming to earth, Cyclops vs Cap because of hope, the splintering of the force, birth of the Phoenix five and then Avengers vs X-Men on all sides, the devastation of Wakanda, training in K'un-L'un and Hope at the center of it, friend against friend and so much pain and loss and betrayal and breakups and everything with the final war between Dark phoenix and everyone and the death and rebirth of hope. Its an epic event which had so much buildup af WHAT AN EPIC EVENT! It starts with the Phoenix force coming to earth, Cyclops vs Cap because of hope, the splintering of the force, birth of the Phoenix five and then Avengers vs X-Men on all sides, the devastation of Wakanda, training in K'un-L'un and Hope at the center of it, friend against friend and so much pain and loss and betrayal and breakups and everything with the final war between Dark phoenix and everyone and the death and rebirth of hope. Its an epic event which had so much buildup after House of M and like ends here and I love how all the writers involved here gave it all focusing on seminal moments like the moment when Spidey is ready to sacrifice himself for his friends to gain some time to escape, or the training Hope has or the final confrontation between Charles and Scott and then the ending with how this massive "extinction" saga for mutants ends and what Cap does next! Its truly epic as the consequences would be felt for years to come and its the end of one era and the start of another and I love the story for that but its also a personal story which has deep heart and is epic in every sense of the word and evert moment earned for good. I loved it and the constant writer changes never hampered the story at all! And the art was beautiful throughout! A must read for sure!

  6. 4 out of 5

    Milo

    You can read the Review Here: http://thefoundingfields.com/2013/05/... Note: I reviewed the TPB edition collecting Avengers vs. X-Men #0-12. “Given the great potential of the creative team on board this book, not to mention the idea, the actual execution is somewhat flawed.” ~The Founding Fields Writers: Brian Michael Bendis, Matt Fraction, Jason Aaron, Ed Brubaker, Jonathan Hickman | Art: John Romita Jr., Oliver Coipel, Adam Kubert | Publisher: Marvel Comics | Collects: Avengers vs. X-Men #0- You can read the Review Here: http://thefoundingfields.com/2013/05/... Note: I reviewed the TPB edition collecting Avengers vs. X-Men #0-12. “Given the great potential of the creative team on board this book, not to mention the idea, the actual execution is somewhat flawed.” ~The Founding Fields Writers: Brian Michael Bendis, Matt Fraction, Jason Aaron, Ed Brubaker, Jonathan Hickman | Art: John Romita Jr., Oliver Coipel, Adam Kubert | Publisher: Marvel Comics | Collects: Avengers vs. X-Men #0-12 "The Avengers and the X-Men – the two most popular super-hero teams in history – go to war! This landmark pop-culture event brings together Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, Black Widow, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Cyclops, Storm, Magneto and more in the story that changes them forever!" Avengers vs. X-Men, should, by all accounts, be a success. The writing team behind it is Marvel’s best, Brian Michael Bendis, (All New X-Men), Jason Aaron (Thor: God of Thunder), Matt Fraction (Hawkeye) and Jonathan Hickman (Avengers) are currently penning some of the best Marvel comics for Marvel Now! and Ed Brubaker has a pretty strong track record as well, although I am unsure if he is currently writing any Marvel Now! titles. But where did this event go wrong? In a situation that pitted the Avengers and the X-Men, Marvel’s two biggest and most popular superhero teams against each other, this should have been awesome. Yet it was let down by several flaws, including its disappointing artwork, and really obvious plot holes. You’re probably asking what event could conspire to turn the Avengers and the X-Men against each other. Whilst the seeds have been sown through the disappointing mini-series by Jeph Loeb entitled X-Sanction, and various other series that I haven’t quite got around to reading yet, the main instigator for Avengers vs. X-Men comes with the return of the Phoenix, the all-powerful being that is responsible for the possession and subsequent death of Jean Grey in the Dark Phoenix Saga, which again, is another title that I haven’t read yet but knew what takes place. Whilst I haven’t read a lot of X-Men comics, I’ve read enough about the various stories and histories featuring the Children of the Atom online to know that the Phoenix returning storyline has been done before, and judging by the reception for those books, in a better way. This time round however, the target is seemingly Hope, the first mutant born after the devastation caused by the Scarlet Witch’s “No More Mutants“ claim in House of M. Of course, the Avengers, specifically Captain America and Iron Man, remember the last time that the Phoenix returned to Earth, and have targeted Hope. But Cyclops, the leader of the X-Men on Utopia, has a belief that the return of Phoenix will help the mutants recover from the destruction, thus sending the two forces on a collision course where there can only be one outcome. WAR! Avengers vs. X-Men certainly promised to be an interesting matchup. On the Avengers side, you have the likes of Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, The Hulk, and more. The X-Men boast Cyclops, Storm, a reformed Magneto and more. With such a vast cast of characters, it’s evident that some are going to get more screen-time than others. It’s also interesting to see where Beast and Wolverine’s allegiances lie, as both have served as members of both teams in the past, and Wolverine’s story in particular is interesting to follow. The artwork, for the most part, is inconsistent. Some of it is brilliant, but other parts not so much, two major characters that I felt weren’t really drawn as well as they could have been were Captain America and Professor X, which was a shame, as given the wealth of talent here, this book had the potential to be superb. It’s billed as a landmark pop-culture event in the blurb, however at times, I was struggling to believe that this was more than just your comic book equivalent of a Summer blockbuster film. Entertaining, fun – but flawed. Characters do die in Avengers vs. X-Men, and if you’ve been reading comics-related websites and titles like Uncanny Avengers for Marvel Now, then you’ll know who met their fate in this one already. I won’t mention who died, but as they were such a fundamental character to the Marvel Universe, I feel that I should have been made to care about their death more. But I didn’t. It lacked any emotional impact on the reader whatsoever. In fact, the characters themselves were one of the book’s biggest problems, because despite the personalities that they’ve had for several years now, they were virtually non-existent here, and most of the cast are forgettable, and non of the iconic quirks that characters have, such as Spiderman’s sense of humour, are present. Also, in order to kickstart the event, it relies on both Captain America and Cyclops getting centre stage, and being both involved in stupid decisions. You can’t connect to any of the two leaders, and the rest of the cast that had the potential to be much more interesting are overshadowed in favour of Steve Rogers and Scott Summers. The whole superhero vs. superhero fight has been done before, and better, in the case of Civil War. You’re not getting anything really original in this book, the Phoenix plot has been used before, Scarlet Witch seems like a clichéd plot device, and the Avengers have come to blows with the X-Men in the past, as this link shows us. Whilst it at times feels like a big, fun superhero brawl, the action quickly becomes tiring as you go on. I’ve been reading a lot of comics in the past year or so and I’ve rarely been let down, but It’s safe to say that this is a one of those occasions, and therefore I can only recommend this book if you’re a collector, a die-hard Marvel fan or wanting to see the lead-up to Marvel Now! VERDICT: 2/5

  7. 5 out of 5

    danielle

    this was so good I’m shaking in my boots !

  8. 5 out of 5

    ⠀annie. ♡

    the end was so anticlimactic. all it did was make me miss jean. it started off good. i was genuinely intrigued but by issue seven i was basically just looking at the pictures...

  9. 5 out of 5

    Tom

    This volume was at best inconsistent and at worst generic. Having multiple writers all working different chapters, and somehow getting the style of them to seem seamless...left a lot to be desired. Factor in also the X-Men are, for me, a lot less sympathetic this time around. Cyclops sounds more like Magneto from the beginning, and the talk of mutants being a separate species...didn't ring true. Different species can't procreate with each other, but Marvel's mutants still can with other humans. This volume was at best inconsistent and at worst generic. Having multiple writers all working different chapters, and somehow getting the style of them to seem seamless...left a lot to be desired. Factor in also the X-Men are, for me, a lot less sympathetic this time around. Cyclops sounds more like Magneto from the beginning, and the talk of mutants being a separate species...didn't ring true. Different species can't procreate with each other, but Marvel's mutants still can with other humans. Besides, it's Marvel and they can never decide if mutants are plentiful or not. When this one ends, they are, but currently, they are not. Mostly, this seemed to be the Avengers trying to save the world while the X-Men were trying to use a cosmic force they, of all people, should know better about. And then Thor gets smacked around a lot.

  10. 4 out of 5

    brianna

    when wanda said no more phoenix im sliding down the wall screaming and crying ❤️

  11. 4 out of 5

    Judah Radd

    **second read** Still great. I love this event. So many powerful moments. It was even better now that I was fresh from reading all the leadup stuff. This concludes the long era that began with House of M. Really solid. I loved it. ****first read**** This one is a page turner! Wow. I was so engaged the whole time. The stakes were so high. Such an exciting comic book. This is at least 3 times better than “Civil War.” The concept is similar (Hero team vs Hero team), but Cyclops vs Captain America is a m **second read** Still great. I love this event. So many powerful moments. It was even better now that I was fresh from reading all the leadup stuff. This concludes the long era that began with House of M. Really solid. I loved it. ****first read**** This one is a page turner! Wow. I was so engaged the whole time. The stakes were so high. Such an exciting comic book. This is at least 3 times better than “Civil War.” The concept is similar (Hero team vs Hero team), but Cyclops vs Captain America is a much more interesting clash of personalities than Cap vs Tony. Also, this is the best Phoenix Force story since The Dark Phoenix Saga... which is crazy, because Jean Grey isn’t even in it! The violence was epic. The lettering served the story and mood. The action was AWESOME!! The art was on point. There were pages and panels that took my breath away. I felt real suspense at times. This rocks. Do yourself a favor and don’t miss this one,

  12. 4 out of 5

    Lindz.

    This had good team ups, and some silly pointless teams up. Almost to the point where I felt like they wasted ink and paper to produce the issue of comic it was in. Perhaps, they should've thought to be a bit more clever. Then again, a few of these helped give me some ideas. This had good team ups, and some silly pointless teams up. Almost to the point where I felt like they wasted ink and paper to produce the issue of comic it was in. Perhaps, they should've thought to be a bit more clever. Then again, a few of these helped give me some ideas.

  13. 4 out of 5

    Eli

    2.5 stars Was kind of terrible but I ended up getting into the story. And it just reinforces my dislike of Scott Summers. On the fence about continuing.

  14. 4 out of 5

    Ernest

    The X-Men and the Avengers are two of Marvel’s most recognisable superhero teams. This time, they are brought to blows by the Phoenix Force (I’m reminded by a quote or similar by another Marvel character in a previous storyline ‘does everything have to be about that bloody bird?’). Both believe that the Phoenix Force is coming for Hope, the Avengers wanting to take her for safekeeping given the destructive power of the Phoenix Force, the X-Men (or more precisely Cyclops) want to use her to kicks The X-Men and the Avengers are two of Marvel’s most recognisable superhero teams. This time, they are brought to blows by the Phoenix Force (I’m reminded by a quote or similar by another Marvel character in a previous storyline ‘does everything have to be about that bloody bird?’). Both believe that the Phoenix Force is coming for Hope, the Avengers wanting to take her for safekeeping given the destructive power of the Phoenix Force, the X-Men (or more precisely Cyclops) want to use her to kickstart mutants again as the mutant messiah. Cue massive fights. Tightly plotted and filled with genuine emotional moments this volume is not. It’s bombastic, filled with fight after fight, and deserves to be read at the level of letting the colours wash over you, the action filling your eyes only for as long as it takes to turn the page. It’s not a terrible storyline, but one that assaults your senses with action rather than having any lasting impact like The Phoenix Saga and The Dark Phoenix Sage was (view spoiler)[– indeed, a cynical person could say that this storyline is all about undoing House of M and reverting to the status quo. (hide spoiler)] Enjoy the volume for what it is.

  15. 4 out of 5

    Mark

    Y'know I didn't hate this. That's unfair. I actually enjoyed it. If I sound surprised its because I haven't enjoyed an event since Inferno in '90. Reading the reviews as this came out I didn't hold much hope. It's nice being surprised for the better sometimes. The difference between this and the disaster that was Fear Itself was that this wasn't soulless. at its heart was a genuine difference in perspective and even at the end it isn't clear that anyone was completely right or wrong. I found the Y'know I didn't hate this. That's unfair. I actually enjoyed it. If I sound surprised its because I haven't enjoyed an event since Inferno in '90. Reading the reviews as this came out I didn't hold much hope. It's nice being surprised for the better sometimes. The difference between this and the disaster that was Fear Itself was that this wasn't soulless. at its heart was a genuine difference in perspective and even at the end it isn't clear that anyone was completely right or wrong. I found the gradual corruption of the Phoenix 5 believable, even if the contrivance to create them in first place didn't ring true. Some found the way things descended into conflict unbelievable, but it worked for me. It's probably more a three star book but what the hell .

  16. 5 out of 5

    Kate

    Phoenix is coming back and the young mutant Hope is destined to be the next host. Cyclops and the X-Men see this as a possible new hope for mutants, Captain America and the Avengers think this is just going to be Jean Grey all over again. As advertised, it is the ultimate superhero showdown. It's a long arc though and some issues are little more disjointed from the others but having read a bit more ahead it's nice to have a few blanks filled in. The mass amount of characters involved is a bit cha Phoenix is coming back and the young mutant Hope is destined to be the next host. Cyclops and the X-Men see this as a possible new hope for mutants, Captain America and the Avengers think this is just going to be Jean Grey all over again. As advertised, it is the ultimate superhero showdown. It's a long arc though and some issues are little more disjointed from the others but having read a bit more ahead it's nice to have a few blanks filled in. The mass amount of characters involved is a bit challenging at points but all in all it's a great spectacle of a crossover event with far reaching consequences.

  17. 5 out of 5

    Steph_d

    I really loved this story and the connection that is has with previous House of M comic. The characters were the same for me as usual, the characters that I loved I still love and the characters I hate I still hate so yay for consistency!

  18. 5 out of 5

    Lenny

    AvX is one of the big Marvel events I missed, one of several I’m reading through to fill in some gaps. I’m glad I read it purely as a Marvel fan, and that’s about it. The story is easy enough to pick up – bonus points if you’ve already read Dark Phoenix Saga, House of M, and Messiah Complex (I haven’t read the last one). In a nutshell, the Phoenix is returning to Earth. Wanda in House of M made mutants an endangered species, and Scott Summers (Cyclops) believes that if Phoenix inhabits Hope, the AvX is one of the big Marvel events I missed, one of several I’m reading through to fill in some gaps. I’m glad I read it purely as a Marvel fan, and that’s about it. The story is easy enough to pick up – bonus points if you’ve already read Dark Phoenix Saga, House of M, and Messiah Complex (I haven’t read the last one). In a nutshell, the Phoenix is returning to Earth. Wanda in House of M made mutants an endangered species, and Scott Summers (Cyclops) believes that if Phoenix inhabits Hope, the first mutant born since Wanda’s declaration and a kind of messiah, the Phoenix will restore homo superior. But Cap and the Avengers see the Phoenix as a threat – and the confrontation begins. AvX features a powerhouse of Marvel’s top writers in 2012, but because they divided writing duties by issue, it was disjointed and the changes in tone didn’t make a cohesive story. And while it might not surprise us that they’re all men, this is absolutely a story about men (Steve and the descent of Scott, especially), masquerading as a story about Hope and Wanda. Hope might be at the center of the story, but it isn’t her story – not even close. It’s clear just from the fact that she’s often called “the girl” (even though her age fluctuates about 10 years or so), and the story is barely concerned with her growth as a character. Neither Hope, Wanda nor Emma Frost have any meaningful story arc that shows any kind of growth or change at the end. Emma remains an evil seductress, Hope is the rebellious teen with untapped power, and Wanda’s role in mutants’ disappearance gives her the biggest case for a redemption arc. But they drift in and out of the issues – Wanda really only appears halfway through after issue #0 – and are never given the importance in the story they deserve, especially considering both the beginning that centers Wanda’s regret and grief, and her and Hope’s role in the ending. Instead, pages are dedicated to Scott’s slow corruption and those who try to save him. And it’s telling that Steve, Scott and Namor can spend whole issues punching out their problems, but as soon as Wanda and Hope go at it, Steve (and the writers) shut them down. Let me be clear: having male writers doesn’t automatically mean their stories will only center male characters. Chris Claremont is a perfect counterexample with his stories about Kitty and the first Dark Phoenix, Jean. It’s just far more likely that it will happen, along with the inevitable argument that certain characters are more popular with (and are the same as) certain demographics who will buy comics. And for twelve issues, the other character work was pretty dismal. Is Scott actually evil or did he just fall victim to the Dark Phoenix? When Steve says he realizes he should have done more for mutants (shocker), showing us when and how he realized that might give us some sense of growth. Why is barely any attention paid to Wolverine and Beast, as they navigate being both Avengers and X-Men? And while it’s great to see Iron Fist featured in this story, his role is quickly diminished and never develops any kind of mentoring relationship with Hope. Most of the superheroes pop up for an issue or two and then completely disappear. There’s a MAJOR character death that I won’t spoil but it felt entirely thrown in. I understand that these massive events are tied into the rest of Marvel’s ongoing titles, which provide additional stories and background. But a main event should also be a standalone story, especially if you’re recruiting the top-dollar writers for it. A tighter focus on Hope and Wanda, and emotional anchors in characters like Wolverine and Iron Fist, would have made AvX far more compelling and would have encouraged me to read the surrounding material, whereas I couldn’t wait to be done with these twelve issues. The art was also a mixed bag. I’m not a fan of Romita Jr’s art and so the book really got off on the wrong foot for me. Not to be cruel, but his art was simplistic, lacked drama, had lots of unfinished panels, and Magneto had a squished face and who does that to Magneto? Later issues do become progressively better, first (Coipel and Morales) and then Adam Kubert who was the best. As far as I could tell, the only woman with a consistent presence on the creative team was Laura Miller on colors. Basically, I would recommend only for fans of Scott Summers (in which case, you have other things to sort out), and maybe Namor (his extremely low rise pants were probably the best part of the whole thing), or, if you’re like me and want to cover the bigger Marvel events as a fan. Otherwise, read the cliffnotes and happily skip it.

  19. 4 out of 5

    Laney

    What a great big pile of crap. Congratulations. You wrote a giant reset button without technically starting over. This comic served its purpose I GUESS, but having the final outcome you wanted doesn’t make something good. I’m marking it as DNF because at some point I was just skim reading it I was so fed up with how much I didn’t like it. From page one it just screams “we have an agenda, and we’re getting to the end no matter what”. The various authors don’t feel like a cohesive unit. Most charac What a great big pile of crap. Congratulations. You wrote a giant reset button without technically starting over. This comic served its purpose I GUESS, but having the final outcome you wanted doesn’t make something good. I’m marking it as DNF because at some point I was just skim reading it I was so fed up with how much I didn’t like it. From page one it just screams “we have an agenda, and we’re getting to the end no matter what”. The various authors don’t feel like a cohesive unit. Most characters don’t really sound like themselves. And there’s a lot of plot that just feels force fed. Not an enjoyable experience. Also, sidebar, I hate Scott Summers. And not just in the way I’m supposed to hate Scott Summers. I hate reading about Scott Summers, and lately I just don’t like X Men anymore. In some part because of his character, but in a larger part because of the direction the whole X Men’s gone down.

  20. 5 out of 5

    Eric Butler

    So I am a bit behind on my comic reading. When my son got to a certain age I stopped completely and when I got back into it, I did it by only reading collections I get on sale. So this one had been on my to-read for a while...I kinda wish it still was. This should be as exciting as when the Avengers and X-men fought over Magneto in the 80s, it is not. It is about 2 issues of story stretched over 12 issues of content. I get how important the story idea is for the rebirth of the mutants, but the e So I am a bit behind on my comic reading. When my son got to a certain age I stopped completely and when I got back into it, I did it by only reading collections I get on sale. So this one had been on my to-read for a while...I kinda wish it still was. This should be as exciting as when the Avengers and X-men fought over Magneto in the 80s, it is not. It is about 2 issues of story stretched over 12 issues of content. I get how important the story idea is for the rebirth of the mutants, but the execution was so sloppy and at times uninspired. This makes me want to give up on "present" day Marvel and head back to the 80s and early 90s. Hell, in the middle of writing this I dropped it a star. I give up

  21. 4 out of 5

    ellis

    this was cool, but could have been 2/3 the length, easily. as it was, i was entertained, then bored, then my attention was caught, then i was bored. in waves. and like... cap? you really treat mutants like scum in this. and having read later volumes, your declaration to change means nothing to me - because you do absolutely nothing TO change. but despite my getting bored, this was well written and the art was solid throughout, so i can't really justify fewer than 4 stars. this was cool, but could have been 2/3 the length, easily. as it was, i was entertained, then bored, then my attention was caught, then i was bored. in waves. and like... cap? you really treat mutants like scum in this. and having read later volumes, your declaration to change means nothing to me - because you do absolutely nothing TO change. but despite my getting bored, this was well written and the art was solid throughout, so i can't really justify fewer than 4 stars.

  22. 5 out of 5

    Nancy

    This review can also be found on my blog: https://graphicnovelty2.com/2019/12/1... I love both the Avengers and the X-Men- but who will come out on top in this epic battle?! I have been meaning to read this collected edition since last year when I read Uncanny X-Men: Revolution that followed this event book. I kept picking up this series but putting it back down when other graphic novels caught my eye. But when I recently read Mr. and Mrs. X, and I had forgotten that a certain character was dead b This review can also be found on my blog: https://graphicnovelty2.com/2019/12/1... I love both the Avengers and the X-Men- but who will come out on top in this epic battle?! I have been meaning to read this collected edition since last year when I read Uncanny X-Men: Revolution that followed this event book. I kept picking up this series but putting it back down when other graphic novels caught my eye. But when I recently read Mr. and Mrs. X, and I had forgotten that a certain character was dead because of this storyline, I knew I needed to finally make the commitment to finish it. This story follows House of M, when Scarlet Witch utters “No more mutants!”, thus no mutants have been born in years. When the first mutant child, Hope, is born who has the ability to psychically manipulate and mimic the powers of other mutants, current mutants divide as what to do. When it is discovered that Phoenix, the powerful being that killed Jean Grey, is headed to Earth to possibly consume Hope, the heroes are torn as what to do. What it comes down to is Cyclops, the leader of the X-Men, feels that Hope is strong enough to control the Pheonix and will use its power to reignite mutantdom vs Captain America, the Avengers leader, who feels that Hope will become a threat and destroy humanity, thus she needs to be taken down. So begins the battles- many many of them, as this graphic novel collects twelve chapters to tell the story. When you have such a large cast not everyone can properly get featured and this book follows suit. Some heroes receive small cameos, with one bit of dialogue and then they are just part of the large fighting scenes. But I was pleasantly surprised that Iron Fist had such a large role, plus Nova got a nice part too. As I don’t wish to spoil the narrative too much, I will limit my summary. When Pheonix arrives, five mutants- Cyclops, Emma Frost, Namor, Colossus, and Magik- take Hope’s place and all get considerable new powers that they use for improving the world. But we all know that’s not the end of the story. The Pheonix wants Hope and it is she and Scarlet Witch that finally subdue the Pheonix’s dark powers, but not before there is a lot of death and destruction. There are powerful moments found within the story and some insightful and sometimes snappy dialogue, but it can be a slog to find them. Just as I found Captain Marvel unsufferable in Civil War II, so I found Cyclops. He has some extremely valid points, as mutants really have been persecuted, but I was really hating on him, plus…he’s the one who ends up getting briefly consumed by the Pheonix and doing something terrible. Overall, the art was strong despite many different artists. While there are some style shifts in the different chapters, there is enough visual consistency when the various stories were pulled together in this collected edition. Although Hope sometimes varies between looking like a teen (which she was) and an older typical female hero hottie. I always enjoyed the crowd or battle scenes as its fun to see how the artists choose to portray everyone in mid-action. In the large collected edition, there are also some tie-ins: A vs X: This volume showcases personal battles amidst the war and has a whole slew of authors and artists detail how two connected heroes (or villains) duke it out. There is – Iron Man vs Magneto, Things vs Namor, Captain America vs Gambit, Spider-Man vs Colossus, Black Widow vs Magik, Daredevil vs Psylocke, Thor vs Emma Frost, Hawkeye vs Angel, Black Panther vs Storm, Hope vs Scarlet Witch, Cyclops vs Captain America, AvX: Science Battle, Captain America vs Havok, Red Hulk vs Domino, Toad vs Jarvis, Spider-Woman vs (several) X-Women, Iron Fist vs and Iceman and Squirrel Girl vs Pixie. This is a motley grouping of short stories (some are only a page long), as some of the fights tie in with the preceding narrative, while others are just for laughs. The only one that I found truly memorable was the poignant Storm vs Black Panther battle because there is no winner as their marriage sadly crumbles because of their differences. A-Babies vs X-Babies: Skottie Young is well known for his variant covers of Marvel heroes, so this one-off is funny and good for a single read. On the corner of Fury Dr and Xavier Way is the peaceful neighborhood of Marvelous Meadows. Being tucked into bed is little Steve (Captain America) who is surrounded by his army themed stuffed bears. Wait- Bucky Bear is missing! Peering out the window he sees his neighbor Scott (Cyclops) taunting him with his beloved bear. Steve calls out “Avengers Assemble!” and quickly his team of baby friends has joined him. Scott calls for back up but laments he has no catchy phrase to get them there. Instead, he yells that there is an ice cream truck nearby, and the X-Men babies show up. A battle ensues for the bear between the two teams. There is a cuteness overload as baby representations of all famous Avengers & X-Men duke it out. Putting this entire book down several times should have been my clue that it wasn’t for me. While I am typically a sucker for these crossover event books, I have reached a fatigue level with the fighting among team members trope. While I found Civil War fresh, this and Civil War II were anything but.

  23. 4 out of 5

    Tom Oldale

    A fast paced, non stop collection of comics featuring a massive array of characters and cool costumes, all illustrated with my favourite style of modern coloured, ink drawings . Would have been good to see some of the background characters featured a little more and a little more back-story as to what this follows on from would be good but overall a fun storyline with a few twists.

  24. 4 out of 5

    Christine

    Okay, the very first Phoenix story was great. Every other Phoenix story is bad. Sorry. Also, quite frankly, Wolverine judging Scarlet Witch is just off. Dude, the X-Men allowed a woman who emotionally abused students to run a school, you lost the high ground. And no, I have not forgiven Marvel for how they retro framed Emma’s abuse as cool and edgy.

  25. 4 out of 5

    Christopher Addison

    A glorious collection of comics that is thrilling to read. Makes you see just how much comics are better than the movies. And how storylines resonate even in todays age

  26. 4 out of 5

    Paul

    A review on the entirety of the Avengers vs. X-Men event. In the end, I would give the entire event a 3.5-3.7 score. I enjoyed it but only because of certain variables. That first variable is that I got the entire event at the library. I picked up the 10 or 11 graphic novels that the entire event is composed of between Avengers, X-Men Legacy, the AvX stuff like this, Wolverine and the X-Men, The New Avengers, Uncanny X-Men, and Avengers Academy. There is one large companion book that includes al A review on the entirety of the Avengers vs. X-Men event. In the end, I would give the entire event a 3.5-3.7 score. I enjoyed it but only because of certain variables. That first variable is that I got the entire event at the library. I picked up the 10 or 11 graphic novels that the entire event is composed of between Avengers, X-Men Legacy, the AvX stuff like this, Wolverine and the X-Men, The New Avengers, Uncanny X-Men, and Avengers Academy. There is one large companion book that includes all of these in one, but my library system didn't have it. This is that book: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1... I would guess that the whole event was about 1,000 pages of graphic content. I couldn't have done it without the library system and Marvel Unlimited. I only used MU for a few of the graphic novels as I was surprised my library system had a ton of these available throughout the state. If you bought the companion collection plus this regular AvX bundle, it would cost around $100(discounted). If you bought each individual graphic novel, it would be over $200. Taking into account how expensive it would be to buy these books, I would not be satisfied with my reading experience if I actually bought them, the rating would drop to a 3. The other variable of why I score this around a 3.5 or more is because I got to read it in a short burst of intense reading. The story is a much better story when you read it in order between all the graphic novels. I used the Marvel wiki reading order and I found that reading order to be more accurate than other ones I ran across. To the actual event itself, it was a lot of fun, and I enjoyed it. There were some definite low points but I think as a place to get into modern Marvel comics it did its job for me. I could see the arguments on both sides on what to do with the Phoenix. The core story was strong and it resonated with me. I think reviewers give Cyclops way too much grief, he did what he thought was right, and I think I can see his point. I enjoyed myself reading this but more than ever I realize how much my ratings might be impacted by how I get my books. If I was buying this entire event on floppies, between all of these comics, it would have cost so much money. I get why hardcore Marvel readers would be disillusioned with crossover events because to read everything, you are shelling out hundreds of dollars, and the event lasts at minimum 6 months. The only reason I enjoyed this as much as I did was because of the library system. I don't really love reading things on MU because I don't have a device other than my desktop to read from, so I was happy I was able to get a lot of these from the library. 3.5 Rating

  27. 4 out of 5

    C

    Continuing the great x-read of 2017/18... So, I really wasn't looking forward to this one as I just don't really like the Avengers (and I like my x-books to be sequestered from the rest of the Marvel Universe...). And, well, it was better than I was worried it would be. But it just seemed like a huge series of missed opportunities. (And it loses a star for the godawful AVX issues. Who really wants an entire issue devoted to heroes punching each other without any plot getting in the way? ugh. Thes Continuing the great x-read of 2017/18... So, I really wasn't looking forward to this one as I just don't really like the Avengers (and I like my x-books to be sequestered from the rest of the Marvel Universe...). And, well, it was better than I was worried it would be. But it just seemed like a huge series of missed opportunities. (And it loses a star for the godawful AVX issues. Who really wants an entire issue devoted to heroes punching each other without any plot getting in the way? ugh. These things were just downright stupid.) There will be *spoilers* ahead so don't read if you haven't read the crossover. Characters that should have been given more depth and had much more significant parts (Wolverine, Scarlet Witch, Magneto, Hope...) are all forced to take a back seat to the captain America/cyclops punch drunk drama. The story that should have been the culmination of Scarlet Witch's No More Mutants proclamation and the building Hope messiah storylines really does nothing to further their stories really. (And it is weird because the Avengers don't seem to really "get" why the mutants would be upset at Wanda... Personally, I was hoping Wolverine would skewer her on his claws but instead he works with her because... he's still mad at Cyclops?) The rest of the X-Men (and a good chunk of the Avengers) are given bit parts without any personality whatsoever. Probably the worst part for me was the big "surprise" death at the end. The x-writers have been weirdly keeping Xavier on the sidelines for years at this point. Slowly taking him away from his point of prominence. It has been weird to watch as they try to make Cyclops into a more important role than Charles. So for them to kill him off here just seems pointless. They've already done as much. This is ceremonial at best. Most of the characters ignore their histories and characterization to fit whatever role they are shoehorned into for the plot to move forward, the story seems unsure of how much time is actually passing during these events.... I have no idea how badly many of the Avengers are portrayed here as I don't read those books but I can't imagine that they are all written as basically the same character as they are here. It's just all a bit of a mess. It isn't unreadable. There are even a few interesting turns along the way and it moves along at a brisk pace despite its long length. But certainly among my least favorite crossovers. I'll see how I feel once I read the ancillary stuff from the other books but so far I am seriously underwhelmed.

  28. 5 out of 5

    Matt

    The title "Avengers vs. X-Men" alone brings to mind many ideas and debates about who would win a contest, especially in light of how some have moved from one time to another over the course of Marvel history. The epic event "Avengers vs. X-Men" is the result not only of recent events in the Marvel Universe but over the whole course of the Marvel Universe and how each side interrupts the advent of the Phoenix Force upon the Earth. Overall the story is coherent through the entire saga, though there The title "Avengers vs. X-Men" alone brings to mind many ideas and debates about who would win a contest, especially in light of how some have moved from one time to another over the course of Marvel history. The epic event "Avengers vs. X-Men" is the result not only of recent events in the Marvel Universe but over the whole course of the Marvel Universe and how each side interrupts the advent of the Phoenix Force upon the Earth. Overall the story is coherent through the entire saga, though there are several rough patches that disrupt things from time to time. The custody of Hope Summers, the Mutant Messiah, and future host of the Phoenix Force is the trigger the conflict between the two teams. But things only get interesting when Tony Stark seeking a scientific way to stop the Force instead makes things worse by splitting it into five pieces that inhabit five different X-Men. The mistrust of the Phoenix Five's work and intentions followed by the mistrust of the Five of non-mutants is a recipe for disaster that the darkening effect of the Phoenix Force uses to its advantage to become whole. Those not versed in all the recent events of the Marvel Universe up to the start of Avengers vs. X-Men won't be lost as the writers deftly put in hints without going into just plain dumping information on the reader. The subtly of the Dark Phoenix, actions of others to cause conflict between members of the Five, and the mistrust of the Five amongst themselves over time was a wonderful subplot upon looking back upon the story. The action and battles are drawn wonderfully, however they come at the cost of character development especially when it comes to the root cause of the conflict as well as the ultimate solution, Hope, who disappears the scene or is in the background for a large portion of the middle third of the story. In addition, the mistrust of the X-Men to the Five resulting in them aligning with the Avengers is alluded to but not seen which hurt the concluding chapters of the saga. Even with some story missteps, the overall work of "Avengers vs. X-Men" is very good and a delight to read.

  29. 5 out of 5

    Marion

    I was spoiled (well... I kinda asked for it when I looked on YouTube for recommendations for good comic books to read), so I basically knew how it would end. Which is a shame, because I know it would have blown my mind! Unfortunately for me, I had left the world of X-Men monthly comic books back in 2007 (and haven't read any trade paperbacks since then either), and so there were a lot of background elements to AVX that I didn't know anything about; which kind of took away the fun a little bit bec I was spoiled (well... I kinda asked for it when I looked on YouTube for recommendations for good comic books to read), so I basically knew how it would end. Which is a shame, because I know it would have blown my mind! Unfortunately for me, I had left the world of X-Men monthly comic books back in 2007 (and haven't read any trade paperbacks since then either), and so there were a lot of background elements to AVX that I didn't know anything about; which kind of took away the fun a little bit because I couldn't understand what they were referring to at times. I really enjoyed the storyline. The... well... the whole Avengers vs. X-Men thing really. It never quite crossed my mind that in the Marvel universe there was such a big difference between being a "hero" and being a mutant. Sure I've seen the films and I vaguely remember House of M, so I know that the X-Men and mutants in general are not so welcome in the society (quite persecuted even at times), and I know that people freaking love Avengers (Cap, Spidey and Co.), but I never quite realised that they are supposed to live in the same world. Seeing the struggles of mutants to make themselves accepted, the resentment they have for the "heroes", and how both sides wants the best for their own kind... It definitely gave me a new perspective on things. I had forgotten I much I loved reading X-Men comic books (I'm reading the French monthly Batman Saga at the moment, and I'm getting bored with it), so I went a little crazy on Amazon, and I hope to be able to read X-Men: The Dark Phoenix Saga and X-Men: Age of Apocalypse in the near future (if Amazon ever decides to ship them to me even though I placed my order over a month ago!). Anyway... X-Men. Good. Need more.

  30. 5 out of 5

    Joshua Buhs

    Now, this is what comics can do that no other medium can: tell epic stories that rely on years and years of expansive history. I had no idea what I was getting into. My daughter, to whom I read the Generation Hope series, kept asking what happened next--and I didn't know, because that series had ended. Eventually, I found out her story was continued here. So i bought the TPB and read it to her. When I last read comics regularly, some two decades ago, there was a series of cross-overs between X-man Now, this is what comics can do that no other medium can: tell epic stories that rely on years and years of expansive history. I had no idea what I was getting into. My daughter, to whom I read the Generation Hope series, kept asking what happened next--and I didn't know, because that series had ended. Eventually, I found out her story was continued here. So i bought the TPB and read it to her. When I last read comics regularly, some two decades ago, there was a series of cross-overs between X-man and other superhero groups with "vs." in the title: X-Men vs Avengers, vs. Fantastic Four. Those weren't really battles between the teams, though. There was also, in the DC universe, a 12-issue mini-series "Crisis on Infinite Earths" that was meant to clean up DC's many continuity problems. (DC being DC, the company immediately recomplicated everything again only a few months later.) This issue fulfills the promise of the title of those earlier books, and seems to do so like "Crisis," tying up storylines (that I had not really followed) and setting up a reorganized Marvel Universe. It does so really, really well. The twelve issue maxi-series format (to use an ugly phrase from back in the day), gives Bendis enough time to focus on some specific heroes--Spiderman, now an Avenger (?!?) gets an issue to himself, mostly. They get to explore the many shores of the Marvel Universe: Doom's Latvia, the mystical land of Kung Fu, outerspace, and the etherworld home of Illyia and Doc Strange. No other form of storytelling can do what the comic books do here. Movies, TV shows, books, none can have the weight of history that these books not only invoke, or hint at, but actively draw upon. It's an epic and very fun work. Comicbook telling at its most exciting. And then it should be back to laying down the smaller stories over the years and years to build up to such a conflagration again. Fun as these kind of stories are, they cannot come around too often--like Christmas coming once a year only, these stories should come only every couple of decades

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